CYCLINGFORUM.COM - Where Cyclists Talk Tech --- Return To Home

 

    Register FAQ'sSearchProfileLog In / Log Out

 

****

cyclingforum.com ****

HOMECLUBS | SPONSORS | FEATURESPHOTO GALLERYTTF DONORS | SHOP FOR GEAR

Return to CyclingForum Home Page CYCLING TECH TALK FORUM
          View posts since last visit

learned bike-handling and "neuro-plasticity"
 

Author Thread Post new topic Reply to topic
walter
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 4391
Location: metro-motown-area

5/13/15 2:09 PM

learned bike-handling and "neuro-plasticity"

fun experiment!

http://viewpure.com/MFzDaBzBlL0?ref=bkmk

 Reply to topic     Send e-mail

Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19083
Location: PDX

5/13/15 2:19 PM

Had seen that, I couldn't or wouldn't do that, try it I mean..


How are you feeling Walter??

 Reply to topic     Send e-mail

Jesus Saves
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 1150
Location: South of Heaven

5/13/15 2:30 PM

That splined steer tube design looks inherently UNstable [edit]. That is, design a "control" bike (sorry, no pun intended), with the same design and whereby right = right and left = left. If it yields the same results, then I will be more convinced.

Last edited by Jesus Saves on 5/13/15 7:53 PM; edited 1 time in total

 Reply to topic    

walter
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 4391
Location: metro-motown-area

5/13/15 3:01 PM

how could you not be convinced?

the operation of this test vehicle's steering is exactly *opposite* from what everyone has learned. our long-ingrained and essentially hard-wired steering reflexes will not work in that system!

doing better. able to walk pretty normally after the morning stiffness abates. strained muscles continue to heal, fewer instances of rolling over in bed causing unpleasant muscle recruitment.

i sat on the trainer and pedaled easy for about 30 seconds yesterday to see if it felt any better than last week, and it did...a little! did that more for my head than anything else. note the white-knuckle grip and euro-pro footwear!

<img src="https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11053232_10205835047347253_3668327866343167381_n.jpg?oh=c663327820941a626e5f67deca30f18d&oe=560AFCAB">

 Reply to topic     Send e-mail

Jesus Saves
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 1150
Location: South of Heaven

5/13/15 7:51 PM

Because folks cannot ride a fat tire bike in a *straight line* (as in no turning) for more than 5 feet without falling off.

 Reply to topic    

Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19083
Location: PDX

5/13/15 8:22 PM

The counter steering propensity I have been doing for 50 years, more needed and intentional on Motorcycles of course.
Well I'd probably have a conniption on the first attempt to change direction...

I'd initiate a turn via a counter steer and launch off the high side doing 3 MPH.. It would 'have' to be fun to witness...


Last edited by Sparky on 5/13/15 8:52 PM; edited 1 time in total

 Reply to topic     Send e-mail

daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
Posts: 3307
Location: Springfield

5/13/15 8:45 PM

quick and dirty simulation

Cross your arms and ride, right hand on left grip, left hand on right grip.

It will give you an idea of what it's like to ride that bike, not perfect but zero investment.

It's a good goof, be careful.

 Reply to topic     Send e-mail

ErikS
Joined: 19 May 2005
Posts: 8337
Location: Slowing boiling over in the steamy south, Global Warming is real

5/14/15 7:09 AM

I crashed hard as a kid when I tried to cross my arms as you describe. Talk about a stupid trick.

One thing I really like about his presentation. He has a nice normal southern accent and he is SMART; see folks they can be synonymous.


I first learned about his youtube channel viewing the thing about the balloon in the car. Fun Stuff.

 Reply to topic     Send e-mail

walter
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 4391
Location: metro-motown-area

5/14/15 7:27 AM

"see folks they can be synonymous"

well, how about "not mutually exclusive"

;-) JOKING!!!

 Reply to topic     Send e-mail

Matthew Currie
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 802
Location: Vermont

5/14/15 7:46 AM

As for crossing the arms, I note in the video that at least one person thought of that, and it did not help.

It's an interesting idea. Now the next thing that needs to be studied is whether a person who learns both things at once can switch between them. The adult and the child were both already riding a conventional bike, and the child was able to learn the reverse bike more quickly. I wonder if learning both at the same time would allow a person to switch at will.

 Reply to topic    

Jesus Saves
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 1150
Location: South of Heaven

5/14/15 9:55 AM

There's a lot of academic research on neuroplasticity of children and adults. For instance, the two learn a new language differently. Move left to turn right, and vice versa is common in boating.

 Reply to topic    

Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19083
Location: PDX

5/14/15 11:51 AM

"Move left to turn right, and vice versa is common in boating."

And motorcycling... I do not know if I notice my that I do it on the bicycle, but I must. Only that the input is minimal as to not be perceivable.

On a 400+ lb MC it is a deliberate tug in the opposite direction of the lean/turn to start the machine falling into the line followed by a tug on the turn side to abate the fall/lean when pushing it hard into turns at steep lean angles. But the weight of the MC wheel giro effect is a touch more than 5/6 lb of bicycle wheel weight and more perceivable.

 Reply to topic     Send e-mail


Return to CyclingForum Home Page CYCLING TECH TALK FORUM
           View New Threads Since My Last Visit VIEW THREADS SINCE MY LAST VISIT
           Start a New Thread

 Display posts from previous:   


  
Last Thread | Next Thread  >  

  
  

 


If you enjoy this site, please consider pledging your support

cyclingforum.com - where cyclists talk tech
Cycling TTF Rides Throughout The World

Cyclingforum is powered by SYNCRONICITY.NET in Denver, Colorado -

Powered by phpBB: Copyright 2006 phpBB Group | Custom phpCF Template by Syncronicity