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Ti Schwinn Paramount value
 

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Sparky
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2/24/13 1:02 PM

Ti Schwinn Paramount value

May trade the carbon Performance bike for a ti Schwinn.

Browsing seem to indicate these late 90s Ti where Serrota made. Time club painted to match fork. This one has it's share of chips, and I don't think for me it is in the category value wise of Waterford stuff.

Any opinions or knowledge/ownership info appreciated.

Not sure trading a hardly used Ultegra 10 [30speed] bike for a D/A 9 speed gear bike with a lot of miles is offset enough by the ti frame and 1" threaded steerer.
But it is a little better size being a 60 for me...

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ErikS
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2/24/13 3:56 PM

Less zoot but the CFR is the better bike.

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Sparky
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2/24/13 4:08 PM

Better frame is the question, already got the roubaix...

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ErikS
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2/24/13 4:38 PM

Tape over the label and test ride both with the same wheels. Sell the lesser and get new wheels.

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Sparky
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2/24/13 5:31 PM

Yeah Erik, I get that. But I am sure I would notice a difference due to the size.

I do know which one will take a continual beating of road chips difference wise. ;) Already got my carbon bike covered...

I probably really should not have said the CRF is my size, it is I could get it to work size leaning small.

I have ridden this bike/Ti Schwinn. I did some fitting work for him trying to get him better fit, but it is a tad big for him. The CRF would fit him better.

I am not sure we can make it work anyway. His bike has a lot of miles and D/A 9 speed. I'd rather have 10 speed Ultegra just because my huge hands are better on the bigger STis. And his bike a Mavic, Ks. Wheels I got all I want and what I want already. I like the sets I build myself, or the few manufactured sets I already have...

Guess I just am interested in the bigger size and Serotta made Ti to roll on for a bit, or longer if I get a warm and fuzzy feel...

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walter
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2/24/13 6:02 PM

is it the lugged Ti paramount?

if so, gotta count for some intangible.

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Sparky
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2/24/13 6:07 PM

Tigged.

Do lugged Ti frames exist ?

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ErikS
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2/24/13 7:18 PM

If they do. Two thumbs up for the find. My town is a wasteland. Barren of all used bikes.

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walter
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2/24/13 9:31 PM

doh!

got cornfused...I was thinking of the lugged 853 60th anniv paramount, made by "match" in WA.

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Sparky
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2/25/13 10:41 AM

This is for sale locally:

From the 531 days.

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daddy-o
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2/25/13 1:18 PM

Beautiful, where was it listed?

FYI: The photo showed up before I logged on.

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Sparky
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2/25/13 1:39 PM

Locally, asking $550.00 I used the ][s

I made an offer, he will probably say no to.

I am also hot on the trail of a T700 Bridgestone.


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daddy-o
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2/25/13 1:59 PM

Locally, but CL or something else? I'm just trying to get creative in my area.

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Sparky
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2/25/13 3:13 PM

Nice specimen, especially the chain stays. SLX with a few interesting tube/build aspects

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dan emery
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2/25/13 3:55 PM

sorry but

The Battaglin's top tube treatment is FUGLY.

I like the Paramount though (the green looks alot better on my office computer than on the iPad). Do you know what year? Looks to me like '70s or maybe even '60s. Size? Maybe 58-60 c-c? I'd pay $550 for it (barring some unseen problem) if I were looking for another vintage bike (which fortunately I'm not!).

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Sparky
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2/25/13 4:39 PM

1969 P13

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mag7
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2/25/13 4:40 PM

All I rode was Waterford/Paramount's from the early 80's until my Ti bike which was a disappointment wrt the noodle-ly bottom bracket.
Out of the saddle the deflection was so bad I experienced the dreaded chain drop while climbing and that had a not so pleasant outcome.
Should have opted for the steel version that Tim Issac at Match was building at the time.

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Sparky
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2/25/13 4:49 PM

"deflection was so bad I experienced the dreaded chain drop while climbing and that had a not so pleasant outcome. "

I had that happen one a mid 90s Litespeed Classic coming hard out of a corner out of the saddle. Scared the shit out of me, but it popped back up to the big ring when i paused and sat back down during the portion of time my heard stopped beating...

I doubt I would put out that kind of power that I could/did near 15 years ago..

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Sparky
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2/25/13 7:12 PM

Prugnat Lugs on that year, 69 paramount, does that make it's 'worth' change?


I made an offer, he said no, I increased 50.00 more to what is my max on it. He is hanging 25.00 from asking $.

CL Ad is here: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/3641528401.html

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ErikS
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2/25/13 8:26 PM

I had a connodale that the back end was whimpy enough I could make it shift the rear d. I suspect the cable was deflecting some at the BB also.

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dddd
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2/25/13 8:41 PM

Oh, the memories of a couple of violent chain breakages and of a couple more sudden derailments over the years.

Once had the rear wheel of a long-stemmed Raleigh Competition lift several inches off the road when an old chain snapped, but I somehow saved it.

Broke a chain during the final "wall" of the 1-hour-long Mt Diablo hillclimb, but on the Pedersen bike one's thigh stays hooked on the saddle strap so no drama that time.

Speaking of the pedersen, the seat posts pass between the seat stays without touching, so I had to put plastic pipe inserts fitted between the crossing tubes to keep bottom bracket sway from derailing the chain when pedaling over rough ground.

An over-worn middle ring on a GT RTS-2 mtb dumped the chain with a bang on a steep rolling hill out on the road last year. After my foot hit the ground, I had to stab at the pavement a frantic couple of more times before my uphill momentum was exhausted. I still can't believe I stayed upright that time.

That Battaglin is an interesting specimen. I especially like the chainstays wrapping around the bb shell and the tidy clamp atop the seat tube.
With a steep enough seat tube, I might even fit that thing, at least for shorter events.

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walter
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2/26/13 8:08 PM

that battaglin is SICK!!!

its a TT rig, same design Roche used in 87...check out those chainstays!!!

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