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Don't get above your trainin'
 

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dan emery
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 6294
Location: Maine

10/1/19 2:54 PM

Don't get above your trainin'

Kind of a variation on the last episode of the Country Music series, "Don't get above your Raisin'."

Rode the Dempsey Challenge Century Sunday, after not having ridden more than about 33 miles in 2 years (since I began breaking bones and having other medical issues). And after having a few drinks at a fundraiser the night before.

I think those factors combined to put me under. I finished, but had to walk the last hill (miles 85-95 were a succession of hills, and at that point I had nothin'). At the finish I was nauseous and apparently looked so crappy that Patrick himself asked me if I was OK. On the drive home I puked in the car. When I got out of the car I had to stand a few minutes with legs cramps before hobbling into the house.

I think the drinks (not excessive, no hangover or even close) along with the unaccustomed effort contributed to dehydration which did me in. I drank and ate as much as I could, but mostly my stomach didn't want it.

But anyway I was glad to finish and glad I made the effort as I have opted out of a couple events. But next time I will ride more if I'm going to do a century (and limit the libations the night before).

I thought I'd be a wreck the next day but I actually have felt great.

One cyclist who is a role model is Fast Freddy Rodriguez who is there every year and does tons for kids.

Epic, dude!

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greglepore
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Posts: 1670
Location: SE Pa, USA

10/2/19 6:51 AM

Man, not much worse than killing yourself like that. I'm still recovering from a training hole I dug myself a season back, and it really is hard not being able to do things that used to be routine.

Training the gut is as hard as training the body.


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dfcas
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 2615
Location: hillbilly heaven

10/2/19 8:51 AM

I never got to the point where I could ride a century with authority. I rode a few but the recovery was brutal for me. if I did one on Sunday, by the following Wednesday I was dysfunctionally tired. All I could do was lay around and sleep. I never got beyond that.

I could rode 65-75 miles with authority, but that last 30 just did me in. I gave up and quit doing centuries.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: Portland, OR

10/2/19 10:17 AM

"I rode a few but the recovery was brutal for me. if I did one on Sunday, by the following Wednesday I was dysfunctionally tired."

I once did a 4:17 century, mostly flat granted. It was a freaky day I never repeated. But having done so and that being a bar I wrongly thought was ever going to be a norm... It would have better had it never occurred.

Other than that, another VG 'was that really me' was the 10 hour flat 180 mile we managed on a yearly jaunt. Good group of younger folk I rode with a lot for a few years in Joisey. [#hasbeen] We got efficient in close quarters, etc.

Main point is this, every years 5 or so a day got added to needed recovery for crazy fast metrics, or reasonably fast centuries. Going from memory on centuries, been a century since I did more than 80 miles.

But, if I don't try to FTP the longer rides to feel fast enough to justify actually riding a go fast bike... I can actually ride the next day, or maybe the one after that.

What used to take as little as 4:17 [plus to & fro] probably take 8+ hours adding it the getting to & fro until shower time. #stillfukinridinganyway

As far as getting above your raisin, isn't this what we have been attempting/doing mostly all our riding lives?

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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
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Location: Nashua, NH

10/2/19 6:08 PM

Dan, kudos for gutting it out and finishing, but rotten tomatoes for your planning. I'll bet you never do that again!

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I need to do longer rides next year in order to increase my endurance, which frankly, sucks. I've been enjoying the bike trips we've been doing, but they're getting harder because I can't handle the back-to-back hard days with the type of "training" I've been doing. Hopefully, longer miles will help with that.

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Sparky
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Location: Portland, OR

10/2/19 6:34 PM

Yeah, hats off you lunatic. ;)

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dan emery
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 6294
Location: Maine

10/3/19 4:54 AM

Planning?

Whatís that?

Actually I registered awhile ago, maybe when Iíd had too much coffee, and then as I didnít ride as much as Iíd thought, I considered skipping it or riding the 50. It really wasnít until the last weekend that it decided to go ahead with the century. Then I planned to go out slow, warm up, and pick it up a bit if I felt OK. But of course I didnít do that. 😀

Anyway, I learned that at this point, I need to respect the distance.

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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
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Location: Nashua, NH

10/3/19 6:15 AM

I definitely hear ya!

One thing I've learned from doing Trek Travel rides over past few years is that it's possible for me to take an extended break (an hour or more) during a long day, eat a substantial lunch and drink quite a bit of water, then get back on the bike and feel great for the remainder of the ride. In one case, I even felt better on the second half of a ride, after bonking horribly on a hard climb up to the lunch stop (I figured I was doomed to suffer for the rest of the day). I haven't tried doing a long lunch break on my own or in an organized century, but I plan to.

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KerryIrons
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
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Location: Midland, MI

10/3/19 9:16 AM

Planning

While all the "experts" say you need to ride at least one 75 before you do a century, my experience has been that if you are comfortable at the end of a 50, you can do a century without a lot of suffering. Of course there are other factors: wind, heat, humidity, hills, and just the luck of a good day or a bad day.

My experience with "I just don't feel like drinking/eating" is that it means an electrolyte imbalance. Especially for drinking, if you're low on salt you won't be able to drink. Long ago a riding companion was "close to the wall" and we stopped for French fries. He loaded them up with salt and felt 100% better in about 20 minutes. Sometimes folks try to hard to eat the "right" things rather than just going for anything that appeals. Your body (at least my body) is pretty good at telling me "what really sounds good right now" and therefore what I can tolerate and maybe really need.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: Portland, OR

10/3/19 9:45 AM

When I did century rides as part of my season, 6 or more per year. My strategy was a early breakfast with lots of calories from fats. A slowish ramp up for 15 miles, then multiple FTP runs and recoveries because fast times always a goal.

I frequently rode the next day or played basketball, volley ball etc. I was 20 years younger though. ;) Carbs on the bike, and back then Citomax including packets of extra powder for my bottles at stops on the ride.

No kidding about the dehydration, your physiology will dive fast at high outputs if you get behind that 8 ball. A bonk is a hard slow thing to fix @ mile 70 on a century, ride at greatly diminished pace and maybe before the end, maybe... if you got the electrolytes on hand that is.

And speaking for myself, worse than any hangover the next day.

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dan emery
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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Location: Maine

10/3/19 4:08 PM

Next up

I obviously hadnít ridden enough to ride a strong century, but the other factor Iím not sure of is why my stomach wasnít working. I struggled to drink, or eat a peanut butter cracker. When I puked in the car, maybe TMI, but letís just say there was a LOT of fluid. So I think what I ate and drank just sat in my stomach. Maybe the alcohol the night before, maybe electrolytes I dunno (I drank Gatorade, and generally eat plenty of salt).

Anyway, Iím registered for the gravel ride I posted about earlier in the Moosehead Lake area in 2 weeks. A 100k route or a 50k route. The 100 is probably harder than the Dempsey Century, with about the same amount of climbing, on dirt. So, like the Dempsey, Iíve varied between skipping, riding the 50, or the 100. Iím thinking trying the 100 absent the booze, but I reserve the right to change my mind.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: Portland, OR

10/3/19 4:51 PM

Guessing: Dempsey Challenge Century=Domane 32mm tires. Moosehead Lake Gravel=Checkpoint??

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dan emery
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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Location: Maine

10/4/19 8:14 AM

yes

road for road, gravel for gravel.

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KerryIrons
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
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Location: Midland, MI

10/5/19 3:44 PM

Salt


quote:
So I think what I ate and drank just sat in my stomach. Maybe the alcohol the night before, maybe electrolytes I dunno (I drank Gatorade, and generally eat plenty of salt).


"Failure to digest" was pretty obviously your problem, but the question is why. Gatorade is actually not that salty, so I still point the finger at electrolytes. If your gut can't transport the liquids because of osmotic pressure problems, salts are often the issue. Then again, it could have just been a day when your gut locked up.

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