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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 16861
Location: Portland, OR

11/9/18 5:45 PM

Paradise, California

Whew! No joke, they will be renaming the town from Paradise to Hades, CA

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/11/09/camp-fire-paradise-california-destroyed-evacuations/1940450002/


Smokes! literally.

I feel for these folks.

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Steve B.
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Posts: 705
Location: Long Island, NY

11/10/18 11:42 AM

From what I've read it was a small Sierra foothills mining town, that grew and grew. Unfortunately it grew into the adjacent forests, which as so many people are discovering, can be a problem when the forest becomes a huge tinder box.

A situation we are seeing more and more throughout the west.

Somewhat like building a town on an east coast barrier beach that has seen hurricanes.

I do feel for the people who lost homes, but cannot help but wonder at the wisdom.

Now multiple dead as well, so thoughts for them and the families.

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KerryIrons
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Posts: 2940
Location: Midland, MI

11/11/18 9:06 AM

Zoning

Whether it is coastal beaches, flood plains, avalanche zones, or forest edges, let's just say we don't do zoning well. Property rights, property values, low-cost construction, and the lack of understanding how to protect a building trump good sense way too often.

I always feel for folks who get hit by a natural disaster, but I know that many of them have made poor choices in advance of the event. In the case of Paradise, it seems doubtful that anything could have been done to protect the city given the breadth and intensity of the blaze.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 16861
Location: Portland, OR

11/11/18 10:21 AM

"I know that many of them have made poor choices in advance of the event"

Like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Oso_mudslide

The entire ridge along the north side of the Columbia river has this history, lets build a town on the red zone.

Forty-three people were killed and 49 homes and other structures destroyed

Funny the wiki sez: "The Hazel Landslide has a history of instability dating to 1937" AND "Completely unforeseen"



As to unforeseen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Oso_mudslide#Geological_context


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April
Joined: 13 Dec 2003
Posts: 6453
Location: Westchester/NYC

11/11/18 5:27 PM

“I know that many of them have made poor choices in advance of the event"

Tell that to the coastal Californians! They know all along a big earthquake will come some day, or any day.

On the other hand, the living is so good it’s irresistible. The same csn be said about Pompie or the flood plain of Bangladesh...

We’re an optimistic species.

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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 4189
Location: Nashua, NH

11/11/18 7:30 PM

If by "optimistic", you mean "delusional", then yes. ;-)

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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
Posts: 3235
Location: Springfield

11/11/18 7:35 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Fault

4 earthquakes and tsunami in the last 3000 years. The last one was over 1000 years ago: overdue.

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April
Joined: 13 Dec 2003
Posts: 6453
Location: Westchester/NYC

11/12/18 7:06 AM

> If by "optimistic", you mean "delusional". ;-) <

But, had our ancestors not been “delusional”, we might still be living in Africa?

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KerryIrons
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Posts: 2940
Location: Midland, MI

11/13/18 10:34 AM

Africa

Maybe they were trying to get away from the unstable Great Rift Valley?

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