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Froome; Vuelta Espana and salbutamol
 

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: Portland, OR

12/17/17 11:24 PM

Froome; Vuelta Espana and salbutamol

Hmm... First I have heard this.

Chris Froome returns adverse analytical finding for salbutamol

Team Sky leader could lose Vuelta title and face ban

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
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Location: Nashua, NH

12/18/17 8:01 AM

The news broke a few days ago

This one is interesting, as it's not a banned substance, just limited in allowable levels. It's also well known that Froome is asthmatic and the UCI was informed that he was taking it. Others have been severely sanctioned for lower levels, so it will be interesting to see what WADA does with Froome. From what I've read, the next step is laboratory testing with Froome to see if there is a reasonable explanation for his elevated levels on a single day during a long race in which he was using it.

FWIW, inhaled Salbutamol has not been shown to provide any performance boost beyond allowing asthmatics to breath normally. It provides no benefit to people with normal lung function. Taken orally or by injection in much higher doses, it can have some muscle building and weight loss benefits, but that's not the situation in question with Froome.

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PLee
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: Brooklyn, NY

12/18/17 9:46 AM

It's odd that his tests came back high on just one day.

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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
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Location: Springfield

12/18/17 10:07 AM

Salbutamol: Froome
Clenbuterol: Contador

Since I looked up, figured I'd pass it along.

And why not pass along an opinion while I'm at it.

"I didn't have the legs today."
"I didn't have the lungs today."
Why does that organ get a special break?

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Sparky
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Location: Portland, OR

12/18/17 10:27 AM

"I didn't have the lungs today"

One might perceive the guy with asthma I doesn't have the lungs most days. Having said that, I road in NJ with someone with asthma [seen him use the inhaler at times] frequently that was up front and with the fast group always. I know cause back then I was also. ;)

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walter
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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Location: metro-motown-area

1/10/18 1:38 PM

check out KFC's experience with the same condition/meds

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/compton-questions-chris-froomes-asthma-medication-claims/

"As someone who has exercise-induced asthma and allergies - if I have an asthma attack, I can't finish the race. I can barely pedal, let alone keep pushing hard. The rescue inhaler is exactly that - it's there for a few puffs to get you back to normal. It helps you breathe better, but granted, if I went hard again, I'd have another attack."

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walter
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Location: metro-motown-area

1/17/18 3:48 PM

and a good blog post about this

https://southbaycycling.com/2017/12/16/the-truth-behind-chris-froomes-doping/

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sanrensho
Joined: 20 Feb 2004
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Location: North Vancouver

1/17/18 4:48 PM

Great link Walter. Best article yet about Froome's Asthmagate.

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Sparky
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Location: Portland, OR

1/17/18 6:00 PM

" Salbutamol is easily obtained, legal, easily abused, has a very short half life so is hard to detect,"

As to 1/2 life, a little ambiguity there as to puffer dose VS oral VS what seems to suggest a intramuscular dose if I am guesstimating correctly.

Thanks BTW, good read I thought.

For shits and giggles, I recommend a google search for "salbutamol side effects"

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PLee
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: Brooklyn, NY

1/22/18 8:59 AM

But if salbutamol, as the author suggests, is taken to reduce body weight without muscle mass loss, it doesn't seem like there's any reason to take it during a race. It's not as if your body is putting on fat in the middle of a Grand Tour.

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Rickk
Joined: 01 Jun 2004
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Location: Montreal

1/22/18 9:18 AM

Walter, thanks for sharing. Interesting read.

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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
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Location: Nashua, NH

1/22/18 4:45 PM

I agree with Parkin

Additionally, the oral/injected doses required for ergogenic benefits are exponentially larger than the doses from an inhaler. It's unlikely that you could determine the clearance rate accurately enough to avoid getting busted, particularly in out of competition tests when doping with it would be most beneficial.

I would also like to know if Froome had traces in his blood every day of the Vuelta or other races. If not, I think that makes it pretty clear that he's only using it when necessary. If it's always in his system, that leads to other questions.

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Rickk
Joined: 01 Jun 2004
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Location: Montreal

1/23/18 8:04 AM

@PLee

"But if salbutamol, as the author suggests, is taken to reduce body weight without muscle mass loss, it doesn't seem like there's any reason to take it during a race. It's not as if your body is putting on fat in the middle of a Grand Tour."

Maybe it'not that theyre worried about "putting on fat" during the TDF.
Instead - maybe these guys are worried about progressively increased risk of muscle catabolism (i.e. body breaking down its own muscle tissue to obtain energy) of their precious muscle mass/fibers - over the course of a long, hard, 3 week TDF, when an athlete sometimes gets fed up (or can sometimes be nauseas) of constantly eating & refuelling - and perhaps one of their scientists found a "beneficial" side effect of salbutemol - which mitigates this catabolism risk?

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henoch
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Posts: 1578

1/27/18 11:56 AM

Bobke's take

In case anyone is interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k9xSjwCLV0
Topic starts about 15 minutes into the video

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: Portland, OR

1/27/18 1:31 PM

Re:Bobke and Tramadal comment. Non opioid and non addictive I believe.

I don't think anyone here thinks the peleton is clean now that the powers that be figured out how to detect EPO micro dosing...

I read that salbutamol is another version of the same purpose drug Contador caught a positive from a steak for his two year suspension.

See this @ steroidly.com: (yes, that is the real mane)

https://steroidly.com/clenbuterol-albuterol-salbutamol/

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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
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Location: Springfield

1/27/18 7:59 PM

What a champion.

This might be the best of 2018, completely off topic. Earlier in the Bobke clip

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henoch
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
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1/28/18 8:04 AM

Ha, yeah that's awesome :)

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rickhardy
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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Location: Needham outside of Boston - the hub of the universe

1/28/18 10:06 AM

Panache

In all areas on and off the bike

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: Portland, OR

1/28/18 11:07 AM

I am still pissed at the DQ last TDF. ;)

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Rickk
Joined: 01 Jun 2004
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Location: Montreal

1/29/18 5:59 AM

Thanks for sharing.

On a completely different but more serious topic, Bobke's"tweet of the week" at the end of his youtube video reminds us that cycling jerseys dont necessarily always protect adequately as physical barriers against uv rays, on those 3,4,5+ hr long rides!

Sobering thought... considering melanoma.

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KerryIrons
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
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Location: Midland, MI

1/29/18 3:27 PM

UV protection

Some cycling jerseys might not protect from UV rays, though I have apparently never owned one. I have many different brands and styles in my collection and end every riding season "Moby Dick white" where I am covered by a jersey.

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