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hoo-ah! FF 57 just dropped :-)
 

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walter
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 4226
Location: metro-motown-area

11/14/17 3:11 PM

hoo-ah! FF 57 just dropped :-)

much-much faster, much-much needed.

broke most of my plugins, but i'm OK with that. after a couple tweaks to the UI -- moved tabs to bottom of menu and changed color of inactive tabs, i'm good to go.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 15834
Location: Portland, OR

11/14/17 5:56 PM

Glad to hear that, I've been using Chrome some FF has been lagging so badly.

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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 3777
Location: Nashua, NH

11/15/17 6:30 AM

I upgraded to it yesterday, too

Most of my add-ons still work and I can live with the minor UI changes. The key for me is that it still allows a top menu, which is the one thing that drives me nuts about Chrome.

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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
Posts: 2855
Location: Springfield

11/15/17 9:45 AM

Going to be interesting to see how well their memory management works. Before, you had to close it to release the memory.

So far it passes two tests that made me use Chrome and Vivaldi, YouTube and a certain music site, Freegal.

It would be great to never need to use Chrome.

Firefox and Duck Duck Go, less intrusive.

Nice to see bookmark tags getting some new prominence. I hardly classify bookmarks anymore, just use tags and hit enter.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: Portland, OR

11/15/17 9:59 AM

My FTP manager add-in was one that stopped, and the author is pushing Waterfox for the immediate fix.

Any comments on Waterfox?

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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
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Location: Springfield

11/15/17 11:06 AM

Why not use the native one?

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: Portland, OR

11/15/17 11:58 AM

The add in app saves a lot of work as far as updating and publishing to my site. The native ftp is just folder level viewing or [right click 'save as'] DownLoading. Does FF native FTP actually have upload provision, the earlier version sure did not when I explored it.

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Steve B.
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Posts: 647
Location: Long Island, NY

11/15/17 4:12 PM

Yes !

Thanks for the update news. I was a long time FF user, dropped it when it got bogged down.

Will see how well it sync's with mobile versions

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greglepore
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Posts: 1588
Location: SE Pa, USA

11/16/17 9:04 AM

Thanks for the heads up. Much improved except the way they'v e reorganized the bookmarks.

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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
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Location: Springfield

11/16/17 9:04 AM

FTP you might like this

The waterfox recommendation leads me to believe I'd been using the same add-in as you for so long I'd forgotten it wasn't native.

Just for grins, I opened a vanilla Windows File Explorer (WinKey+E) and entered ftp://TheFTPAddress in the address bar.

Credentials prompt, voila, drag and drop FTP - thanks Microsoft.

YMMV, but it worked this time. The proof? Happy Halloween!!! (small photo)

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Jesus Saves
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
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Location: South of Heaven

11/16/17 12:32 PM

I have been using Windows Explorer for years and exclusively so as it does the job well enough to not bother using other pc specific ftp software.

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Steve B.
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Posts: 647
Location: Long Island, NY

11/20/17 7:30 PM

OK, so a couple of days of use.

In Win10, itís as good if not better then Chrome. I finally got used to the left panel bookmarks tab.

On iOS itís not so great, but then neither is Chrome. Safari is actually easier to use on a mobile device, but since Apple pulled support for Safari in Windows, nothing syncs so Safari desktop is useless.

Oh well. Firefox really, really needs to do a better interface in iOS. A Bookmark toolbar for starters.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: Portland, OR

11/20/17 8:04 PM

"Windows Explorer "

Stopped using iExplorer so long ago I can't even remember why anymore. ;)

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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
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Location: Springfield

11/21/17 8:01 AM

When I need to research Microsoft, like TechNet, I figure IE is the way to go.

So there was a big Windows update this month. Except for Windows asking me what program to use when I double click some different files, no irritations.

As for Firefox, moving the refresh button to the left side to better match Chrome is worth how well it now handles content. Its memory management is better than it was, some is released when you close a tab but it still takes exiting Firefox to release most of it. To see what I mean, open the Task Manager with CTRL+Shift+Esc (all three at once,) and go to the Performance tab to see the Memory graph. Then open a couple of real hogs like CyclingNews, AllMusic, and then click on some "social" advertisements at your own risk 😲. Keep an eye on your memory and disk use. Before FFX-57 closing a tab hardly did anything until you actually exited every open FFX browser. Now closing tabs helps, but it still takes closing it to fully recover, and it can be gigabytes of RAM. Also, when you close it watch disk activity go ballistic.

One thing I like about Firefox vs Chrome is the private / incognito browsing. In Firefox the private browsers are independent. For instance, you can be logged onto multiple Gmail or Amazon accounts. In Chrome for me opening a second incognito session just reuses the credentials for the first incognito Google account. It's nice when someone borrows your computer. I try to never open Amazon in a non-private browser because of the directed ads.

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greglepore
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
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Location: SE Pa, USA

11/21/17 12:36 PM

Maybe I'm dumb, but I need to go thru three pages of stuff now to get to my actual bookmarks, including the folders. I used to be available immediately.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: Portland, OR

11/21/17 1:08 PM

GP, try using the bookmarks toolbar. I have un-named Icons in a row for what I use. [yellow boxed for illustration purposes] [ignore typos in the screen capture ;)

Including a folder for $$ and a folder for misc stuff that are always just above the view able browser area. Unnamed items allows them to stack tight next to each other. Folders I use the $, *, etc so I know what is in those.

Most the icon pick up from the prospective web-site, the ones that don't I use the most and know their order.

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Sparky
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Location: Portland, OR

11/21/17 1:19 PM

Another screen cap example. That left folder on the 'bookmarks toolbar' is my misc bookmarks. If the toolbar is active a mouse over / hover opens it like a drop down.
If not active when you click on the 'folder' in the 'bookmarks toolbar' it makes it active and the list drops down.


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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
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Location: Springfield

11/21/17 1:35 PM

Bookmarks:
CTRL+Shift+B

A couple of other:
Strike the alt key to see the familiar Windows toolbar
Strike Alt+B to get the good old Bookmarks Drop-Down menu
and what Brian said.


Last edited by daddy-o on 11/23/17 6:27 AM; edited 3 times in total

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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 3777
Location: Nashua, NH

11/21/17 1:38 PM

A simpler approach...

...is to right click on the toolbar and select "Customize". In the icons list, there is "Bookmarks Menu" icon that looks like a star with a tray under it. Drag it to your toolbar and exit customize mode. Done. Clicking on it drops down your bookmarks.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 15834
Location: Portland, OR

11/21/17 1:55 PM

And ctr/shift/B gets a separate window for more extensive diddling of the bookmarks. Including diddle access to the 'bookmarks toolbar' stuff should you decide try it out.

I guess there are multiple paths/keystrokes and usable icon to get to similar diddles for bookmark resources.

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greglepore
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Posts: 1588
Location: SE Pa, USA

11/22/17 8:35 AM

Thanks guys. The "bookmarks menu" thingy gives me the good old drop down. Good to know the shortcuts. Thanks.

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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
Posts: 2855
Location: Springfield

11/23/17 6:21 AM

New Bookmarks Behavior and Tagging

Tagging is something not found in Chrome, a real feather in Firefox' cap IMO.

This is expanding on the subject from earlier.

I for one have an easier time remembering context of a bookmark in contrast to the path where I saved it. Don't get me wrong,
there are some real go-to folders for me, but after twenty years, one bookmark a day, one folder a week, they pile up.

When you create a new bookmark (Ctrl+D) the third field in the dialog, 'Tags,' can be handy for home-brew searches.
Without tags FFX searches bookmarks with the name of the website/page (shown in the tab) and the URL. Tags add a third field we can
customize, like touring, int'l, gravel. - Comma separated for multiple tags and an individual tag can be multiple words.

How does FFX let you search bookmarks? The Ctrl+B sidebar for one, but the Ctrl+Shift+B full-page lets you sort the
results. Also, in that full-page you can edit the tags and edit multiple bookmarks together by highlighting multiple. No matter the
order you enter the tags they are always displayed alphabetized.

The new behavior?
For a while FFX has had a feature to save all the current tabs in a folder, (Chrome too) Ctrl+Shift+D. With that key combo
FFX prompts for a folder name / location. It's great when you're doing research. And deleting extra tabs is a snap with the
full-page bookmark manager. What's new is within the folder the names of the websites/tabs are now shown in the bookmarks.
(The old behavior was a blank bookmark name. You ended up with a folder full of no-name web-pages. Sometimes the URL would
appear in place of the name.)
BTW, Chrome has saved the tab-name all along.

Happy Thanksgiving 🦃

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