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walter
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 4391
Location: metro-motown-area11/16/15 8:21 AM |
7*
visited mellow johnny's over the weekend.
keep ATX weird. ;-)
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ErikS
Joined: 19 May 2005
Posts: 8337
Location: Slowing boiling over in the steamy south, Global Warming is real11/16/15 8:15 PM |
Considering you have to go 26 deep for a clean racer during his era, he would've won anyway.
That doesn't undo him being a total asshole toward everyone around him.
7* is right.
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Dave B
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Posts: 4511
Location: Pittsburgh, PA11/16/15 9:25 PM |
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That doesn't undo him being a total asshole toward everyone around him.
I think it was just that attitude that made the reaction toward him as vigorous and violent as it has been. Most of his contemporaries were just as doped but not hammered as hard socially or financially as he has been.
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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 5101
Location: Nashua, NH11/17/15 6:42 AM |
It's also easy to forget...
...the amount of work and preparation he put into his training and equipment. It's not like he was some slacker who won only because he doped. I have no doubt that if he and the rest of the field were clean, he still would have won.
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Jesus Saves
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 1150
Location: South of Heaven11/17/15 7:52 AM |
+1 Brian's comments
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Dave B
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Posts: 4511
Location: Pittsburgh, PA11/17/15 7:59 AM |
+2 on Brian's comments. He certainly was a very talented rider. He won on what was then a level playing field and would have won on a clean level playing field.
It was his personality and treatment of those around him that made the reaction and penalties so harsh.
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henoch
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Posts: 1690
11/17/15 9:38 AM |
This topic has of course been discussed way to often, and by all accounts Lance is a huge jerk, but in my opinion there should be no star next to his seven.
Unless you want to put a star next to Bjarne, Ulrich, Panatani, Contador and most likely Big Mig as well (just to name a few, the list can go on).
It's pure hypocrisy by the TDF, UCI etc.. to remove his name from the record books.
Last edited by henoch on 11/17/15 10:07 AM; edited 1 time in total
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walter
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 4391
Location: metro-motown-area11/17/15 10:02 AM |
+1
also, too.
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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
Posts: 3307
Location: Springfield11/17/15 10:58 AM |
As bike shops go, how was it? Was it worth the price of admission? 2xentendre
(And a shout-out to Johan Bruyneel, the architect of 21st century GT strategy.)
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walter
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 4391
Location: metro-motown-area11/18/15 11:09 AM |
yep, its a nice shop...
...as bike shops go. clean, organized, well lit...and the nice JP coffee-bar!
here's the swag i picked up.
<img src=https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/q84/s720x720/12243323_10207147843526337_2794266621589644730_n.jpg?oh=c3eb3b6366817e19f9df58683abd7a65&oe=56F2B059>
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Dave B
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Posts: 4511
Location: Pittsburgh, PA11/18/15 4:44 PM |
Does LA still have any financial interest in or connection to the shop?
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walter
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 4391
Location: metro-motown-area11/18/15 6:25 PM |
per the MJ website
"Bicycle store in Austin owned by Lance Armstrong."
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