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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19083
Location: PDX5/13/15 2:19 PM |
Had seen that, I couldn't or wouldn't do that, try it I mean..
How are you feeling Walter??
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Jesus Saves
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 1150
Location: South of Heaven5/13/15 2:30 PM |
That splined steer tube design looks inherently UNstable [edit]. That is, design a "control" bike (sorry, no pun intended), with the same design and whereby right = right and left = left. If it yields the same results, then I will be more convinced.
Last edited by Jesus Saves on 5/13/15 7:53 PM; edited 1 time in total
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walter
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 4391
Location: metro-motown-area5/13/15 3:01 PM |
how could you not be convinced?
the operation of this test vehicle's steering is exactly *opposite* from what everyone has learned. our long-ingrained and essentially hard-wired steering reflexes will not work in that system!
doing better. able to walk pretty normally after the morning stiffness abates. strained muscles continue to heal, fewer instances of rolling over in bed causing unpleasant muscle recruitment.
i sat on the trainer and pedaled easy for about 30 seconds yesterday to see if it felt any better than last week, and it did...a little! did that more for my head than anything else. note the white-knuckle grip and euro-pro footwear!
<img src="https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11053232_10205835047347253_3668327866343167381_n.jpg?oh=c663327820941a626e5f67deca30f18d&oe=560AFCAB">
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Jesus Saves
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 1150
Location: South of Heaven5/13/15 7:51 PM |
Because folks cannot ride a fat tire bike in a *straight line* (as in no turning) for more than 5 feet without falling off.
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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19083
Location: PDX5/13/15 8:22 PM |
The counter steering propensity I have been doing for 50 years, more needed and intentional on Motorcycles of course.
Well I'd probably have a conniption on the first attempt to change direction...
I'd initiate a turn via a counter steer and launch off the high side doing 3 MPH.. It would 'have' to be fun to witness...
Last edited by Sparky on 5/13/15 8:52 PM; edited 1 time in total
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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
Posts: 3307
Location: Springfield5/13/15 8:45 PM |
quick and dirty simulation
Cross your arms and ride, right hand on left grip, left hand on right grip.
It will give you an idea of what it's like to ride that bike, not perfect but zero investment.
It's a good goof, be careful.
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ErikS
Joined: 19 May 2005
Posts: 8337
Location: Slowing boiling over in the steamy south, Global Warming is real5/14/15 7:09 AM |
I crashed hard as a kid when I tried to cross my arms as you describe. Talk about a stupid trick.
One thing I really like about his presentation. He has a nice normal southern accent and he is SMART; see folks they can be synonymous.
I first learned about his youtube channel viewing the thing about the balloon in the car. Fun Stuff.
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walter
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 4391
Location: metro-motown-area5/14/15 7:27 AM |
"see folks they can be synonymous"
well, how about "not mutually exclusive"
;-) JOKING!!!
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Matthew Currie
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 802
Location: Vermont5/14/15 7:46 AM |
As for crossing the arms, I note in the video that at least one person thought of that, and it did not help.
It's an interesting idea. Now the next thing that needs to be studied is whether a person who learns both things at once can switch between them. The adult and the child were both already riding a conventional bike, and the child was able to learn the reverse bike more quickly. I wonder if learning both at the same time would allow a person to switch at will.
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Jesus Saves
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 1150
Location: South of Heaven5/14/15 9:55 AM |
There's a lot of academic research on neuroplasticity of children and adults. For instance, the two learn a new language differently. Move left to turn right, and vice versa is common in boating.
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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19083
Location: PDX5/14/15 11:51 AM |
"Move left to turn right, and vice versa is common in boating."
And motorcycling... I do not know if I notice my that I do it on the bicycle, but I must. Only that the input is minimal as to not be perceivable.
On a 400+ lb MC it is a deliberate tug in the opposite direction of the lean/turn to start the machine falling into the line followed by a tug on the turn side to abate the fall/lean when pushing it hard into turns at steep lean angles. But the weight of the MC wheel giro effect is a touch more than 5/6 lb of bicycle wheel weight and more perceivable.
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