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TdF TTT, why bother? (No results/spolier)
 

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Wheels
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 1160
Location: Needham, MA

7/2/13 8:24 AM

TdF TTT, why bother? (No results/spolier)

Why have a TTT if you're only going have it 25 km? At least make it 40 km. 25 km is 15 miles, these guys will have that done in the 25 min range. The ITT are all longer.

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JohnC
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Posts: 1939
Location: Glastonbury, Ct

7/2/13 8:44 AM

So they won't matter much

According to Cyclingnews.com, at least:


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Team time trials have tended towards shorter distances in the Prudhomme era, as the Tour de France director is keen to avoid teams that aren't blessed with a strong group of rouleurs being dumped out of the contest for the GC with the race only a few days old


I suppose the logical extension of that would be to dump it altogether, but I think spectators enjoy it.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19068
Location: PDX

7/2/13 11:40 AM

Anyone want to explain the clock on the TTT.

Say 5 of 9 guys on a team go over. So the team's time [thus each of the 5 riders] is the time of the last of the 5. So if the other 4 team members go over say 9 seconds later, does each of those riders get their individual times towards GC.

And the first 5 guys get the same Team time towards their GC times.

Thus if the one team is 2 seconds slower than the fastest time/team, all those riders GC time will be 2 seconds in the rears. Again, the team riders after the the 5 get like an ITT time at that point ??

I know I repeated the question, but my brains works a little sideways and I want to make the question clear. ;)

Thanks

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Wheels
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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Location: Needham, MA

7/2/13 12:05 PM

The way I understand it

Its the time the fifth guy crosses the line that the time is given for those ahead and within a bike length or so away behind him, assuming no gap.


9 Guys start and 4 guys actually finish in 1 h. Fifth rider finishes in 1h 10 min, and riders 6-9 finish more than a few bike lengths behind the fifth rider. Riders 1-4 have their times adjusted to 1:10, and riders 6-9 have their actual time.

If all finish together, than the all get the same time as the fifth rider crossing the line. That is why you often see them break the pace line and sprint enmass to the line, trying to each finish each within a half of wheel.

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Nick Payne
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Posts: 2625
Location: Canberra, Australia

7/2/13 4:44 PM

The first four riders in a team get the time of the fifth, even if they finish some distance in front of him. The sixth to ninth riders, if they don't finish together with the first five riders, each get an individual time. Any rider who has a time more than 25% slower than the fastest team's time for the stage is eliminated on time difference. And when you look at the winning time today and figure the 25% time cut, anyone who rode the course slower than about 46kph would have been eliminated. So I think Ted King (Cannondale) was eliminated on time difference - I haven't seen his time from the TTT stage, but he was off the back right from the start and he doesn't appear in the full GC list on the official LeTour web site.

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ErikS
Joined: 19 May 2005
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Location: Slowing boiling over in the steamy south, Global Warming is real

7/2/13 5:39 PM

He missed the cut by 7 seconds. Talk about a BS cut by the TdF.

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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
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Location: Springfield

7/2/13 6:14 PM

In this case when should the rule be bent for one rider? Sure it stinks, but it's better to enforce a rule than to justify arbitrary exceptions for the next 3 weeks.

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ErikS
Joined: 19 May 2005
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Location: Slowing boiling over in the steamy south, Global Warming is real

7/3/13 4:24 AM

Dude they bend the rules every tour, often for many minutes and his own GPS/power meter showed a faster time which is really odd.

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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
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Location: Springfield

7/3/13 7:47 AM

It wasn't the bus, he isn't the show. The DS made a calculated decision and it didn't pay out. Tour management stuck to their guns and he's out by a rounding error. What gets me is he averaged 46kph on a bad day. Like I said, it stinks, but.

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